Curse

Swarnt Brightstar · Jun 20, 2005, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Celes Tial

People simply need to realize that when they buy a game called 'Guild Wars' it probably is about PvP in the first place. If you dont like PvP, you will not be playing for very long

To the OP: A lot of games have less entertainment value than 74 hours for 50 bucks. Some offline FPS games last a whopping 10 hours for the same price.

point... I've been playing GW for like I dunno 150hours with one of my characters

all my other games are about 30hours

except for that pokemon game I had when I was...? 6...? I played that thing for like 100 hours... no clue how or why... probably left the little booger infested thing on for a few days

Itbegins · Jun 20, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

if you want a game with total complete pwnage go back to Lod im sure you prolly have a pimed out smiter/foh/whatever cheap ass charector you can make that doesnt need any skill to play..........rangers are not dmg dealers the only thing for them in pvp is traps and such such as spirit of winter.......... the point of random pairing up is those are pve arenas for players without guild or with them but are just playing for fun if you could team up how fun would that be 4 lvl 9 charectors ran to droknars by some guy so they have all the best armor and win woot 152 consecutive victories.....thats not the kind of game Gw is you acctually have to just suck it up and lose sometimes.......my suggestion to you is go to the tomb of primevial kings you should be there i know your lvl 20 but i dunno if you ascended or holw you did it or whatever. but find a group(if your bringing your ranger drop that vampiric bow cause all it means is work for a monk that he doesnt need to do also take off all your dmg dealing shots and put on distracting shot,pin down, now put on traps barbed, spiked, fertile season, winter. some kind of res) ok now go have fun playing against people that have a 50/50 chance of pwning stop whining about not wanting to play anymore just cause you dont pwn.

KvanCetre · Jun 20, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Let's see... D2... heres what I remember:

Rush to beat Hell
Do Cow Levels until level 80
Get bored and quit

Yeah, I can see how thats more fun.

Instead of working to level 20, we rush to level 99... where suddenly theres just a whole bunch of fun waiting for us, right?!

Unlike Guild Wars, the "fun" in D2 ended around level 20 when you beat Baal/Diablo(depending if you had the expansion) on easy mode

Algren Cole · Jun 20, 2005, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Arothian

Brilliant. Hence Dyes. Hence different combinations of different armor sets.
Sure, playing through the missions for a second time isn't all that exciting.

Yea, what other PC or Console game do you play for 70+ hours? KotoR 2 only takes about 20 hours at the most, you would have to play it 4 times through to equal the average play time of guild wars. You might say you can play KotoR 2 with different types of characters, well, you can play GW with different types of proffessions. Sure the content doesn't change, but neither does the KotoR2 universe besides some simple choices, still following the same general story line.

I've clocked well over 10,000 hours of counter strike since it's release....and guess what It's even a good PvP game....unlike "point, click, wait for them to die"

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

Heh. Man, different weapon sets?! WOW! I hadn't noticed that... ( I hope you detect my hint of sarcasm). Well I apologize if I jumped the gun on giving up the game, but you know, I'm not a huge fan of playing a game for endless hours when I cannot improve my character. Now don't jump all over my for saying that, because I know you technically can "improve" your character. But by what margin? a minute amount of damage on a bow? I will take my time, and place it elsewhere. I know that myself, and many other people feel that the pvp in guild wars is weak. Take your teamwork and throw it out the window. It's a game. I don't want to wait until my "guildies" are on so I can rock out in some guild vs. guild battles, which don't mean a damn thing. I want some major room for expansion on my character. I want some larger rewards for the time I spend playing past 20. Make it worth it. I play a video game to have fun, and that is certainly not something that occurs with pvp on gw. On a side note, the level 9 dueling is called LLD, and I have been invloved in it for ages. As for the armor subject, I still think one of each piece would be the best. I would rather have a shot at the added armor when fighting each element, instead of being screwed when facing any element except for the type that my armor is.

Oh, and D4nowar, I don't recall saying anything about the game was "too hard". Quite the opposite, rather. And about the quests.... Yes, they do take up too much time. What is the point of doing them? so what if you progress through towns, you have nothing to show for it except bloodshot eyes and sweat stains on your mothers computer chair.

*HANDS TISSUE*
*GENTLY PATS ON BACK*

Don't worry there's always WoW or Maybe Ultima online yeah you can really gank people there and the loot is so uber and.............

Lief · Jun 20, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

I dread to think how much I have played CS.

Best thing is...it is completely free

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Lief

I dread to think how much I have played CS.

Best thing is...it is completely free

by far one of the best and damn addictive

Algren Cole · Jun 20, 2005, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Lief

I dread to think how much I have played CS.

Best thing is...it is completely free

LOL I payed for Counter Strike after I cracked it...but only because I strongly support developers....but Counter Strike is essentially free

AND still the best game i've ever played.

Wu Shao · Jun 20, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

CounterStrike and this game are 2 totally different games. You can't even compare the 2. This is where alot of you poster's made your mistake. This game is an RPG, get it? Role Playing Game. CounterStrike is a FPS, that's First Person Shooter.

To the OP I seriously doubt you have every single skill for your character, that means all the elites too in the so-called 2 weeks you have been playing. If you had, you would notice that not everyone will build their character the same way. So you are totally wrong in assuming everyone is the same. If you don't like Vamp Bows, Don't Use Them. It's real easy. I also seriously doubt in teh 2 weeks since you have been playing that you have completed UW, FoW and alot of the other big quests, unless your guild ran you through it.

Thank God you don't have to pay a monthly fee, cause you would probably bitch about that also.

I tell you what, if you want a challenge, go play a monk.

Epinephrine · Jun 20, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by dansamy

D2:LoD had a whole "sub-culture" of super low level PvP. Level 9 players.

Yes, but even THAT got munchkinised.

There was nothing fun or fair about D2's PvP. You had low levels running around with the attribute bonuses from later quests, with ethereal weaponry and so on. The only really fun PvP in D2 was the act1 run PvP, where you all start a new character, run around killing stuff until you all hit lvl 9 (unpartied, of course) at which point you meet back for the PvP. And levl 9 PvP was dominated by tiger strike (IIRC) assassins mostly.

Prince Daniel · Jun 20, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

hey guys he has a fair point, no need to insult him or accuse him of things he didnt say. Just because you couldnt live without guild wars does not mean everyone else feels the same, listen and advise not attack.

i.e Helios

Epinephrine · Jun 20, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Wu Shao

CounterStrike and this game are 2 totally different games. You can't even compare the 2. This is where alot of you poster's made your mistake. This game is an RPG, get it? Role Playing Game. CounterStrike is a FPS, that's First Person Shooter.

Those are just titles. There is nothing of a Role Playing experience to GW. It's an action game, in which you get batter as you play. Role playing really means playing a role, and that is as much the case in CS as it is in GW - in CS you play the role of a terrorist or counter terrorist, and have about as many ways to play your role as a player in GW has.

I have played real RPGs for 25 years or so, they are nothing like a computer game. You actually play a role, for one. RPGs online are simply milking the name to crank out fantasy action games with a developing character - if this is an RPG, so is MegaMan, as my character progresses and gains new abilities there too. And so is CS, where my character's performance round to round earns me the options of new weapons. And how is GW not a FPS in essence - put the view point in first person modea and it's pretty damn similar. Run, strafe, activate spells or weapons. Sounds like an action game to me. Lara Croft, Warrior/Monk!

Rellok · Jun 20, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I've clocked well over 10,000 hours of counter strike since it's release....and guess what It's even a good PvP game....unlike "point, click, wait for them to die"

That's fairly difficult for me to believe. IF you played for 14.5 hours per day, every day, that's 8 hours of sleep, and 30 minutes per meal, and maybe your computer chair doubles as a toilet, that's nearly 23 months STRAIGHT. Nearly 2 years of NOTHING ELSE. If it were your 40 hour/week job, with NO vacation, that's nearly 5 years straight. IF that is true, I do hope you were getting paid.

Matt

Epinephrine · Jun 20, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Rellok

That's fairly difficult for me to believe. IF you played for 14.5 hours per day, every day, that's 8 hours of sleep, and 30 minutes per meal, and maybe your computer chair doubles as a toilet, that's nearly 23 months STRAIGHT. Nearly 2 years of NOTHING ELSE. If it were your 40 hour/week job, with NO vacation, that's nearly 5 years straight. IF that is true, I do hope you were getting paid.

Matt

But it's been around for ages. I played about 30 hours a week of Day of Defeat for about 3 years for example, and that's about 4500 hours. Granted, I was in university and didn't have a child for part of it, but that's only about 4 hours a day, which I could easily get in around classes. Not hard to rack up hours that way.

Rellok · Jun 20, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

I'm not a huge fan of playing a game for endless hours when I cannot improve my character. Now don't jump all over my for saying that, because I know you technically can "improve" your character. But by what margin? a minute amount of damage on a bow? ..... I want some major room for expansion on my character. I want some larger rewards for the time I spend playing past 20. Make it worth it.

Here is what sounds like the root of the issue. You take exception to the balance of the game. The game is made to NOT reward you for time spent playing. It even says that right on the website.
"We eliminated pointless fights against experience
Skill determines victory in every battle, not hours played"
If you bought a game that at it's core was designed to be something that you did not want, then why complain now? GW has done such a good job of trying to bridge the gap between FPS and MMORPG (CORPG) that people buy it just for one part, and expect the game to be the best of that type. You need to view the game as a whole, not just what you wish it was.

If you have played all of the RPG elements that you want, and you don't like team battles that are balanced, then the natural progression would be toward another game.

Different strokes I guess.

Matt

Wu Shao · Jun 20, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Those are just titles. There is nothing of a Role Playing experience to GW. It's an action game, in which you get batter as you play. Role playing really means playing a role, and that is as much the case in CS as it is in GW - in CS you play the role of a terrorist or counter terrorist, and have about as many ways to play your role as a player in GW has.

I have played real RPGs for 25 years or so, they are nothing like a computer game. You actually play a role, for one. RPGs online are simply milking the name to crank out fantasy action games with a developing character - if this is an RPG, so is MegaMan, as my character progresses and gains new abilities there too. And so is CS, where my character's performance round to round earns me the options of new weapons. And how is GW not a FPS in essence - put the view point in first person modea and it's pretty damn similar. Run, strafe, activate spells or weapons. Sounds like an action game to me. Lara Croft, Warrior/Monk!

/sigh

you can role play in this game if you are creative enough to do it. it's alot harder but it can be done.

This isn't really classified as a MMO, but other MMO's I have played , like EQ, SWG, COH, AO, WoW all have RP that you can do, you just have to search it out. Those games take "skills" to play, but are classified as RPG's.

Anyway this is a stupid arguement and not really worth putting anymore effort into it.